tire sources

[nick]

Hi guys,
I'm seeing what appear to be really narrow ATV type tires on stock looking rims. Where are people getting ATV tires that narrow? Brand/size/supplier??

I've also seen pics of guys putting bar lug (tractor like tires) tires on all four wheels. I'm assuming they are 6-12 tires, anyone know of a good source for those? Great for all offroad use I would think.
Thanks for the anticipated help! This is a great forum!
Nick

[Acerguy]

I think what you're seeing are 8" wide ATV tires (meant for 7" wide rims) being run on stock rims...which are MUCH narrow.

Welcome!

[Mid America Mini Trucks]

Hi Nick

I have them and can get them in any size. they have mouned on all of our minis without a problem however the truck must be lifted.
drop me a line and I will send pics and more info including lift kit info
Chuck
Mid America Mini Trucks
St Louis, MO

[IndianaJason]

Anyone have experience with the tractor tires? Wonder how rough the ride is, even on off-road/slow conditions?

[IndianaJason]

I'll answer my own question.....:).. The Nanco 6-12 Ag-Lug Tractor tires ( they have them listed on eBay right now for Mini Trucks - search "Japanese Mini Trucks" , and those tires will come up.)
They are 23x6x12, and do not require a lift, and I have had no problems with them rubbing or anything. I have taken the truck down a county road at 40+ mph and no vibrations unlike what I expected, however they have a distinct hum to them.
They have a 600 pound rating per tire, and deep lugs. Thick, good rubber...work very well in the woods and the mud I've went through so far. Tires and mounted was $200 and some change. You can get them on eBay for $69 a pair with about $30 for shipping and handling.

[okeitrucker]

Those sound great! Did you use your factory wheels? Any pictures yet? Thanks.

-Hiram

[Acerguy]

Check it out! IndianaJason's Gallery (http://www.minitrucktalk.com/galleries/member.php?uid=261&protype=1)

[okeitrucker]

I like it! Glad to hear you found a truck!

-Hiram

[IndianaJason]

Yes factory wheels.. And yes I'm glad I found a truck too !!!! Thanks ..:)

Its been raining here for two days, the woods is getting pretty greasy... Going to cut some wood and try and haul it out today..will take some more pictures if all goes as planned...

Got one of them new fan-dangled digital camera/cam-corders... when I figger it out I'll make a video...??

[nick]

Thanks for posting the pics and info, that was exactly the kind of tire I was thinking of. Your truck looks great!
Nick

[IndianaJason]

Hey nick, you are welcome and thanks... Your truck looks great too..!!

I'll be posting some more pics soon, and hopefully a video or two ..??

[IndianaJason]

Hey here are a couple links to the tires....

Here are the 25 inch tractor tires, same as what I have, but 25 instead of the 23 that I have, so cant say for sure if they will rub or not. Also these have tubes, as mine are tubeless...

http://cgi.ebay.com/600-12-AG-LUG-TIRES-TRACTOR-LAWN-MOWER-PAIR-2-TUBE-TYPE_W0QQitemZ140176688213QQihZ004QQcategoryZ82248 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

...here are the exact same tires I have got ..23 inch, tubeless.. I bought mine at a local tire place for about the same money..

http://cgi.ebay.com/6-12-AG-LUG-TIRES-TRACTOR-MINI-UTILITY-TRUCK-PAIR-2_W0QQitemZ140178041041QQihZ004QQcategoryZ82248QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Fits on factory wheel no problem, no lift required, raises the truck about 1 and a half inches over stock height... These tires dig !!
They have 600 pound rating per tire like I mentioned before.. which is much better than alot of the atv type tires rating around 300 pounds... For me hauling wood through the woods, over sticks, thorns, rocks in the creek, etc.. I'm sure the atv tires would just pop, not to mention be overloaded...

[Acerguy]

Heh, IndianaJason...I like your new signature. I have a bike racer friend who always says that when we go on rides. Then he leaves me in the dust. :D

[IndianaJason]

:)...... right on!

[Shoot1000]

Thanks. For the post on the tires. Wondering about the ride. I imagine that it is fairly stiff on rocky roads. You can't have everything.
Tim

[IndianaJason]

Really Tim its not that bad.... depending on what you mean by rocky roads.. I live on a country gravel road and was scooting down it probably 40+ mph and it wasnt bad at all.. I figured it would be a bumpy, vibrating ride but wasnt... tires have a distinct hum to them, especially on the paved sections of road I have taken it down...
The tires arent bad really, not like I expected them to be, and am glad they arent. Those suckers dig now though, superior traction for sure.

[MactownMiniTrucks.com]

We can help on tires and Wheels.....We are a Land Based Used Car and Truck Dealership located in the Heart of Southern Illinois. Established in 1993, By Jimmy Johnson, Jeannie Johnson, and "BJ" Johnson and continues to be Family owned and operated. Selling Japanese Mini Trucks, Mini Truck Parts, CamoClad Products, Lift Kits, Bumpers, and Accessories for Japanese Mini Trucks. One Truck or a Truck Load. We are Direct Importers.
http://www.mactownminitrucks.com

[Wolfman]

Hey Jason, you gotta post a picture of your Suzuki parked next to that big ol' Dodge. :D

[Colin]

Better yet, I'll get a picture of my Sambar parked next to my dad's Isuzu NPR - it's like a mini-me. :)

Sooo... since we're kinnd of on the topic, automotive tires that fit without a lift include:

175/70-13
175/65-14 (I'm using these.)

...and probably more.

[xroadsimport]

The best selection of tires at the lowest prices are at.

http://www.xroadsimport.com/xri/index.php?page=wheels-tires

[okeitrucker]

IndianaJason,

Thanks for posting about the tractor tires. It intrigued me enough to give them a try, and so far I think they're great!! No lifting, get to use the factory wheels, inexpensive, great traction, good weight rating, and no issues with rubbing!

-Hiram

[matt419]

Wl-Mart has a 22x8x10 4ply for $40.

[Mid America Mini Trucks]

You need 12 inch tires that tire is only a 10 but good price:D

[greg0187]

I'm looking at gettin a set of these Titan TRAC LOADER's (http://www.titanstore.com/info/4123G8)for 12x7 wheels or if I can find 14x7 w/ a 4/100 bolt pattern I will be getting these (http://www.titanstore.com/info/412379).

[xroadsimport]

We tried skid loader tires. They seemed like a great idea with agresive tread. We found that they had a very hard rubber. They are also designed to skid. We got a very hard ride and not good traction at all.

I think we have about any tire you would want and we have tested to work good.

http://www.xroadsimport.com/xri/index.php?page=wheels-tires

[Acerguy]

Cory brings up a good point. I belong to a pretty active Compact Utility Tractor (CUT) forum and the so-called "Industrial" or R4 tires, while they have their uses, are not particularly known for their off road traction. They certainly will have the load rating but I bet their sidewalls will be STIIIIIIFF. :)

[IndianaJason]

No problem Hiram, I'm glad you like them.......:) .. did you go with the 23's or 25's ?

[okeitrucker]

I have the 23x6x12 tires, and I was surprised to find out that they are made by Carlisle. The All Trails are nice, but I'm liking this option a little better. The 7-12 version have a 715# weight rating.

-Hiram

[matt419]

You need 12 inch tires that tire is only a 10 but good price:D

My '89 Daihatsu has 10" that is why I know that price. :o

[myhijet]

The all trails have load rating of 1100lbs at 10mph and 22 psi. check out Carlisle[http://www.carlisletire.com/products/atv/all_trail/index.html
I am sure the tractor tread tires are rated at a low speed also.

[okeitrucker]

You're right, the tractor tires are also rated at 10 mph. The Carlisle 4 plys have a 590# load rating at 28 psi. (load rating might vary with brand)

-Hiram

[greg0187]

The best selection of tires at the lowest prices are at.

http://www.xroadsimport.com/xri/index.php?page=wheels-tires

BUYER BEWARE: I have heard of alot of people being scammed by this company including myself. e-mail me if you need details. Besides they are not a site sponsor, after all they are the ones that make this forum possible.

[xroadsimport]

Seller Beware: If you know of someone that has been scammed then have them contact me with my personal email at the bottom of the page. I will make it right if at all posible.

[IndianaJason]

Yes my tractor tires have a speed rating of 25mph... Ive had them 40mph+ on gravel country road. No problems.
Load rating is around 660 per tire...Ive had it loaded with wood, tires dont even bulge any....
It definatly gives new meaning to the phrase..."this thing gets around like a tractor.." ....;)

[xroadsimport]

Ok we have the problem solved. We have two types of wheel on order that are an actual 4/100mm hole pattern. They will both be here in the first part of February. We will test them and ship them out!

[greg0187]

Ok we have the problem solved. We have two types of wheel on order that are an actual 4/100mm hole pattern. They will both be here in the first part of February. We will test them and ship them out!



You know what? This is ridiculous? I have had several people PM me stating that I'm on your side and you should just let it go because my reputation on this site will be ruined if I keep on going around telling everyone that xroads ripped me off. Then MAGICALLY the "all powerful" X-Roads admits there is a problem and everything is OK. Give me a break! I guess I'm putting my reputation and my $$ on the line to protect the rest of you and all I get is some behind the scenes "We agree but aren't willing to do anything about it" People.... TAKE A STAND AND FIGHT FOR WHAT IS RIGHT!! To give Corys team some credit. I didn't just go out and pick the first person to hit me up for a sale. I did extensive research and chose x-roads because I heard they had the best prices and the best service and stood behind their products and they were willing to do whatever it takes to do to make you happy. The website stated a GUARANTEE (http://www.english-test.net/toeic/vocabulary/words/316/toeic-definitions.php#guarantee). This meant to me that I was protected no matter what went wrong. That people.... is what makes a company better than any other company! Sadly though, I have to say that this wasn't my experience. What good does a GUARANTEE (http://www.english-test.net/toeic/vocabulary/words/316/toeic-definitions.php#guarantee) do if there is no one to stand behind it. I am not trying to get rich off the fact that Cross Roads had a Guarantee (http://www.english-test.net/toeic/vocabulary/words/316/toeic-definitions.php#guarantee). Believe me when I say I would have been the first person to Glorify him and his team for providing outstanding customer service if I had received it especially after what had happened. All I did was politely ask "What are you willing to do to make this right?". I made no demands, nor did I ask for my money back. All I wanted was some answer that didn't cost me more $$$ (After all that's what a guarantee (http://www.english-test.net/toeic/vocabulary/words/316/toeic-definitions.php#guarantee) is) and all I recieved was a "Prove it doesn't work" and "What exactly is your problem?" and "I do not apoligize" Cory, I still have the email conversation. It doesn't look too good for you. For the sake of my reputation I will say it. "I'm sorry Cory I did not want it to come to this" P.S. I'm still willing to glorify you Cory. Kiss Kiss

God Bless,

Greg

[xroadsimport]

I may have miss-typed. There is no problem with the 4/4” wheels on a 4/100 wheels. We have put them on many trucks and I put them on my own personal trucks. I can have nearly anything I want on my personal trucks and I use these very wheels. What I meant by problem is that those that would like an actual 4/100 will be able to have that if they like. But I have to state again that there is no problem with the 4/4” wheels on the mini trucks.
I would also like anyone that believes they have been scammed or knows anyone that believes they have been scammed to contact myself. If at all possible I will make the situation right. I don’t want anyone to think they where scammed by Crossroads, and I would never scam anyone.
I have proposed what I believe is a more than reasonable solution to Greg in his private email.

[jeremysmithpt]

will the 10" wide carlisle all trails fit on the stock wheels? i have found some that are on clearance for $45 each. just wanted to make sure they would fit before i bought them......

[myhijet]

The tires will physically fit on the rim but they will not work. The sidewalls will be at an angle which will make the bead tip and probably not seal properly, and the wider tire may rub the vehicle. I have a 97 hijet. My 23-8-12 rubbed the front strut spring. I made a spacer to move them out about 1/8". Now they rub the radius arm when turned to the stop either direction. So my opinion is to not do it. I also contacted carlisle and they said that the tires weren't designed for 50mph. I am still going to keep them. I really like the tires. I can go almost anywhere.

[xroadsimport]

You may be able to get the 10.5" wide All Trails on the stock rim with a lot of dificulty. They will severely bulge, and myhijet is right. They will then interfer with the struts. I would not recomend it. The only tire we recomend for the stock wheel is the 23x7x12 ACT.

[jeremysmithpt]

thanks mihijet and xroads. i was thinking the same thing (to much angle for the bead to set properly on the stock wheel). i think i will go ahead and get a set (8" for the front and 10" for the back) and order wheels for them later. i dont think i will find them any cheaper anywhere else. i can get the set of 4 for about $170.

[JRinTX]

I have just ordered (4) Carlisle All Trail 25x10.50-12 tires from ATV Direct. They have the best delivered price that I have been able to find. The (4) tires cost 319.96 delivered. ATV Direct offers free shipping on orders over $200.00. They are shipping UPS Ground. The website is http://www.4atvtires.com.

Hope this is not one of those "too good to be true" deals!...:D

[jbarv]

Was wondering if 25's would fit on a 93 suzi with a 2 1/4" lift without having to cut anything out? Im planning on putting them on some 8x12 itps.

[JRinTX]

jbarv,

Not without cutting. I have built a 5" lift and can fit 23x10.50-12 tires on 12x7 Douglas wheels with a 4+3 offset (4" to the inside).

I am trimming a very small corner on the inside of the fenderwell "just in case". I should have no problems fitting the 25x10.50-12 with the slight triming.

[jbarv]

Thanks, I was kinda afraid of that. The 23s I have on now look like they have plenty of room, but you never know and I dont wanna shell out $400 on a maybe.

[xroadsimport]

jbarv,

You will have to trim the fenders. It is the best option. If you keep going up until you don't have to cut anything then the lift gets rediculus. It is not hard to do.

To fit 25s you need 3" lift.

[Gawdzuki]

http://www.outdoordistributors.com/Carlisle-tires/tru_power.html

anyone seen these? :confused:

[SMURF]

Just a follow-up note about my choice of tire size.
I picked up a nice set of Honda 5 spoke rims (6inch wheel width) and mounted a set of Michelin 185/70-13's winter tires.
I noticed a decided reduction in top end speed as I lost what appears to be 15-20 % power level.
The reason is I suspect attributed to the increased width (friction) and size (6th gear feeling). I also noticed that in 4WD I really lose power with top speed down to 80 kph which rises to 90 kph in 2WD. I really miss the power and high spinning 12 inch tire/wheel original set-up.
Mind you that's on flat level; if I can get even a slight downhill I can get my speed up to 90kph. But the killer is on almost ANY up-hill grade where I drop to 4th gear just to get over the hill at 40kph. (4000 rpm)
OH! And the speedometer now clocks out to read 6% lower than actual road speed and this is verified by a GPS.
Another thing... my door jams now fill up with fine gravel as the tires stick out further than the fender rims.
I think a better size might have been 175/70-13.
For a real-time size comparison to avoid any problems or to try a new size tire.
Visit: http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

Good Luck!
David , 1992 660cc 5 speed Subaru Sambar

[myhijet]

First off, I run 23-8-12 all trails.

I still have them on.

I contacted carlisle and they said the tires are weight rated at a max operating speed of 10mph, for any weight. They also said that 50mph is beyond the design of the tire. I then suggested a dot tire in the 12 inch rim size for the mini market and that note was passed to the product manager at carlisle.
As a side note, anybody noticeed less gravel and rock noise as the tires wear a bit?

I'm still not taking them off.

[Colin]

Suki660 - what you describe is exactly what I experienced when going from my 12s to 175/65-14s. It's a bummer. I'm considering a SC/EFI swap. :)

Can't wait for summer.

Colin

[BudMan]

OK, may be a dumb question. Does anybody know if Discount Tire has,or can get wheels and tires for the mini-trucks. My local store had me do a job for them, and the agreement was to pay me with products or services. I am shopping for a mini now, and could save some money, if discount can get what I need.

[Colin]

I bought my snow tires at a Discount Tire outlet - had them installed there, too. The guy who pulled the truck into the bay seemed weirded out - he had me back it out when the job was done. :D

Colin