Carry engine swaps?

[speedy67]

What is do-able? (within reason) I've thought about the Suzuki Swift engine.(Chevy Sprint - Pontiac Firely) 1 Litre or 1.3 L? Turboed even? Would it basically be a bolt-in?

How about the engine Arctic Cat uses in their four-strole snowmobile? 600 cc - turbocharged....110 HP, that'll give her some ZIP!!

[IndianaJason]

That would be interesting.....:)

When you mention Suzuki Swift are you refering to the same motors that are in Geo Metro's? Stock hp in a Geo is barely over 50 hp.

[Subaru]

What is do-able? (within reason) I've thought about the Suzuki Swift engine.(Chevy Spring - Pontiac Firely) 1 Litre or 1.3 L? Turboed even? Would it basically be a bolt-in?

How about the engine Arctic Cat uses in their four-strole snowmobile? 600 cc - turbocharged....110 HP, that'll give her some ZIP!!

I like your thinking :cool::cool:

[speedy67]

I don't know much about these little Suzuki-based cars, but given their larger displacement (more torque) and fuel injection, wouldn't they be an attractive option to replace a weak or dying Carry engine? ESPECIALLY a TURBOED version? Arctic Cat pulls 100 HP out of just a 660 cc engine in a snowmobile!!!

[frostback]

Geo metro was only a 3 cylinder 1000cc. Suzuki Swift came with 4 cylinder 1300cc also available with a 16V producing 100hp.

I love engine swaps!:D

I especially love sleepers!:D

[Wolfman]

This kind of thing does sound interesting, especially if they would readily bolt on. My only concern would be, especially given the Metro 1.0 and 1.3 engines, would be if the gearing in the Carry would allow it. Off road would be no big deal, but at higher speeds, is the redline on these engines high enough to allow it?

[larryn2o]

as far as i can tell the 1.0 and 1.3 will swap with each other buy not with a 660 motor. what may work is a 1.3 AND transmision out of a 4wd suzuki. there is a huge amount of speed parts for these motors.
check out this site .
http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=7

[Don-in-Japan]

You have to remember the considerable slant these Carry engines have to fit underneath. You would have to modify the oil pan and pickup, for fit, as well as consider how the transmission would follow that angle as well (if you keep the donor trans).
I considered taking off the bed, or cutting a hole and popping the upper half of the engine out of it..but the length of most engine/transmission combos extend well past the rear axle. Possibly an RX-7 rotary engine/trans. would work. They are very short, especially the early '80s models (SA).
If reverse isn't necessary, think about a Yamaha Vmax engine. 100hp(ish), and runs with a driveshaft that could be easily modified to attach to the rear end. Some nuts run turbo's and nitrous setups on them, bringing them past 200hp.

[larryn2o]

I've seen a 1.0 metro motor put in a Carry. it was at a junk yard , they had to make a cover about 3 inches taller to go over the motor.
as far as the RPM goes these motors top out at 7,000 rpm . my truck motor is only good for 5,500.

[IndianaJason]

I'm not up on all the specs on Geo motors....however I have 7 Geo metros, 4 of them parts cars... My Geo that I drive has 246,000 miles on it, and runs like a striped -@$$ ape.... It would be very interesting to see one of those motors put in a mini truck....maybe this summer I'll look into it...I've got plenty of motors to play with...;)

I say a 1300cc + Harley motor would be sweet in one of these trucks....??...:D

[Don-in-Japan]

Lots of good ideas, and I'll be checking out the Suzuki cars for good engine swaps. If anyone has pics, please post..

[Yardscape]

I realize these trucks are "new" to the american market, and are in "limited" supply/demand by the general public. BUT. . .

Instead of doing an engine swap with a higher HP engine, why hasn't someone came up with a bigger carb, high flow intake & exhaust, different camshaft, bore & stroke the engine, get rid of all the vaccuum lines, etc.

It seems like there would be a big market (in the future) for replacement, high performance parts.

Here is a question. Instead of trying to cram a Metro motor into a truck, will the intake & carb (fuel injection) swap over easily?

On the other side of things. These trucks are dependable to drive and can go just about anywhere you want to take them. Why mess with it?

Just kidding. Someone make me a Super Charger that I can bolt on to double my HP.

[larryn2o]

http://www.turbinetech.ca/produit_detail.php?id=8&SESSID=f4e006726397479600ea27a07bd43d40

turbo anyone?

[Yardscape]

http://www.turbinetech.ca/produit_detail.php?lang=change&id=8

here is the english version of the above link

[larryn2o]

email i got back from Superfly, i'm running a cam and gear that he made in my metro.
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From: suprf1y
To: larry griffith
Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:32 am
Subject: Re: cam
larry griffith wrote:
do you know if the 1.0 cam would work in a 0.660 motor (Carry). or would you be able to grind these came? there seems to be some interest in modifying these trucks as they become more popular .
thanks
larry


Are they not an F series?
The G motor cams won't fit, as far as I know, but the chinese copy F series are motors are showing up in the little buggies peopel are buying.
I've done a few head packages. They take a good cam profile well.
Let me know if you have any pics of the motors, or find any info.
I'll see what profiles will work

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Camshaft questions?
http://www.teamswift.net/viewtopic.php?t=6212

[larryn2o]

http://www.turbinetech.ca/produit_detail.php?lang=change&id=8

here is the english version of the above link



the one thats comes up for me is in english?

[Colin]

I want to put a S/C 2.4L four from a Previa in a minitruck. :D

[frostback]

Maybe the new Hayabusa 1300cc:D

195hp@9500rpm:eek:

This guy down the road builds Super Sevens with Hayabusa power and they look quick! A minitruck is not much heavier.

http://www.super7cars.com/index.html

Derek

[Acerguy]

<sigh> a Seven sure would be fun. Wow.

[frostback]

I see the occasional Caterham or Westfield Super Sevens at auction in Japan. One Westfield sold for about $7K a few weeks ago.:frustration:

I'll have one someday.;)

[Acerguy]

I presume you've seen the Locost? List of links (http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/links.php)

or the Flyin' Miata Westfield (http://www.flyinmiata.com/westfield/) :D

[geoffreyr66]

Has anyone thought of using motorcycle powered car parts? Quaife Engineering out the UK (with an link to their site in the USA) has gearboxes and differentials used in "motorcycle powered car" racing over there.
I've always wanted to build my own M/C powered car or buggy. Maybe my Carry would make a great transplant host. I always wanted to find a way to get my Carry up to and easily maintain highway speed.

Anybody have any thoughts?

[Acerguy]

Actually, you bring up some intriquing ideas. How about using a Honda Acty as a donor for a home built, mid engine all-wheel-drive roadster? A mini-Lambo of sorts. Hmmmm.... Register it as a kit car depending on your local laws.

[geoffreyr66]

Actually, you bring up some intriquing ideas. How about using a Honda Acty as a donor for a home built, mid engine all-wheel-drive roadster? A mini-Lambo of sorts. Hmmmm.... Register it as a kit car depending on your local laws.

Why a Honda Acty? What would make it a better donor than say my Carry? Just curious. Don't know anything about the Acty. I've never seen one up close.
But interesting idea.
hmmmm.

[geoffreyr66]

Has anyone thought of using motorcycle powered car parts? Quaife Engineering out the UK (with an link to their site in the USA) has gearboxes and differentials used in "motorcycle powered car" racing over there.
I've always wanted to build my own M/C powered car or buggy. Maybe my Carry would make a great transplant host. I always wanted to find a way to get my Carry up to and easily maintain highway speed.

Anybody have any thoughts?

I forgot to add the link to Quaife
http://www.quaife.co.uk/Gearboxes_3

[Acerguy]

Why a Honda Acty? What would make it a better donor than say my Carry? Just curious. Don't know anything about the Acty. I've never seen one up close.
But interesting idea.
hmmmm.

The only reason I mentioned an Acty is that you'd have a mid-rear engine configuration which would probably get you the best weight balance. With the Carry, though, I suppose you'd have the seats just in front of the rear axle (like on a Seven or Westfield) so I suppose that would work too! On the other hand, the Subaru is the only one with a true independent rear suspension...AW heck, I'd bet it would be fun no matter what you used! :D

And then there's the local Motorcycle Salvage yard (http://www.cyclesalvage.net/bikes.php?bike=5)that has a dumped, 2006 Hayabusa for US$2395 for a donor....(gurgle gurgle gurgle) :D

[larryn2o]

done !
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/50507d32-c126-4d6e-893a-d5bb34ac203a.htm

[frostback]

I'm watching the video thinking that looks pretty slow for a Busa powered Metro, then I read 600cc. Still cool, but not as cool as a Busa powered minitruck would be.:D

[frostback]

Here's a better one.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6848839739350846007

[larryn2o]

cool
the only down side is the gearing , what works well for a 450 LB bike doesn't do so well for a 1500 lb car. but fun none the less!
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r55/larryn2o/IM000624.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r55/larryn2o/IM000625-1.jpg

[Onion Seller]

Here is what I was told today.In the mid 70's all the way to the late 80's,Suzuki sold those 'military looking' jeep type vehicles in North America. They started off with 750cc engines,then went to 1000cc engines and finished of with 1375cc by the late 80's. These 3 variations will bolt right into a Suzuki Carry.The man that told me this seemed to know quite a bit about minitrucks and was adament about them bolting right in.Later on in the day,I was wondering about the oilpan,as these engines are slanted.Can any body confirm if this is true. One other thing! He also said that it is the whole engine and transaxle that you bolt in, A 1375cc would be rather peppy!

[Mighty Milt]

Here is what I was told today.In the mid 70's all the way to the late 80's,Suzuki sold those 'military looking' jeep type vehicles in North America. They started off with 750cc engines,then went to 1000cc engines and finished of with 1375cc by the late 80's. These 3 variations will bolt right into a Suzuki Carry.The man that told me this seemed to know quite a bit about minitrucks and was adament about them bolting right in.Later on in the day,I was wondering about the oilpan,as these engines are slanted.Can any body confirm if this is true. One other thing! He also said that it is the whole engine and transaxle that you bolt in, A 1375cc would be rather peppy!


my buddy had one of those suzuki jeeps with the 750cc motor in it, but never could get it running.

the oil pan isn't as important as where the oil pick-up tube from the oil pump goes. i think you can turn most motors sideways if your oil will drain from the head back to the pan, and the oil pickup tube always points down.

when i was racing VW's (they are horizontally oposed) a buddy of mine continued to burn up rod and main bearings above 7000 rpms. the motor holds 3 quarts, the add-on sump helt 2 more, and even with all that and a hi volume oil pump he was starving for oil.

he cut windows in his valve covers and siliconed lexan in the holes. revved it up and guess what? the oil was loading up in the heads and not draining back to the sump fast enough. the solution was to cut a hole in the head and plumb a return line back to the sump. problem solved... that motor would rev to 9000 rpm after that.

[Onion Seller]

I just went outside and looked at my oilpan.Your right,nothing special about it. It slants the same way as the engine. I must be able to get dimensions somewhere for the LJ-80 engine and transaxle. BUT! The man says it bolts right in. He said I could go all the way up to the 1375cc engine if I wanted!

[Clifford]

That option would interest me greatly!
How much difference would there be in weight?

[Mighty Milt]

i don't think the weight would really be a problem, a good set of helper springs in the back and new coild up front and you are back in business :D you would deffinately have the power to pull a little extra weight.

[rpm]

This is very interesting. I'd like to see the results after somebody tries it. My F6A is smoking pretty bad and I wouldn't mind dropping a 1375cc instead of overhauling mine.

[Ravk]

Want more power? Check this out! http://www.evalbum.com/1608. This is a Carry converted to ELECTRIC drive. Now that is extremely cool!

[Onion Seller]

I think these minitrucks have a lot of potential. To make a daily driver it would be nice to:

-extend the cab,that is,make it 4 to 5 inches deeper to get more leg room.
-a larger engine,to maintain highway speed,and also longevity of the powerplant. A larger engine may increase fuel economy,as it isn't working as hard.
-with the bigger engine and an extra leaf spring,one could up the capacity to 1000lb's. 1/2 ton!

My 1990 carry has 155x13 tires(previous owner). It would be nice to go to a 14" tire,if one could obtain 155x14.

I was out driving it the other day,and found that it is quite nimble in traffic. Easy to park in tight spaces etc.

[Don-in-Japan]

Years ago, I welded up some motor mounts for a guy's Suzuki van. He converted it to electric, but could never get it thru the inspection process.
It was quiet as hell. You could never hear the thing sneaking up on you. He did a great conversion, but it was sad he couldn't get it legalized.

The guy made a helicoptor after that!