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    I've been using my 1992 Suzuki Every Van as a replacement daily driver/work vehicle for my 1997 GMC Savana. With the back seat folded down there is a 6' long x 4' wide load space that's 4˝' high and it comfortably does 85km/hr with 600lbs plus in the back. I'd say that the RHD Van would make a pretty good mail vehicle as it has 2 sliding doors on the left and right hand side of the van. Mine is also a 5 speed 4WD and I'm getting about 8km/100km with our crappy winter gas, 7.5km/100km with summer gas ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Obvious View Post
    I called the truck place where I got my van and he said he was going to have a new vehicle for mail carriers called the Mail Mate. It looks sort of like a smaller Scion. It is too cool. I wanted to post the picture but I got stuck. I will try again tomorrow. He said it is 4wd at and Ac and it would get about 50 miles per gallon with normal use.
    Really??? Wow, sounds very interesting indeed.

    I searched around online but wasnt able to find any info.

    What kind and size of motor? Is it a "kei" vehicle or? Manufactured by ?
    Any pics or info would be greatly appreciated.

    Thank!
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    I still can't get the darn picture to copy. Do you think there is a protection in the image? I will ask Bob to log in and post for me tomorrow.

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    Yea, I know how that goes.

    Indiana, I will have the finished product ready by Friday. I think you will like it. I think the Suzuki Mail-Mate will be very popular for any business interested in economical light-duty delivery vehicles.

    Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gung Ho Trucks View Post
    Yea, I know how that goes.

    Indiana, I will have the finished product ready by Friday. I think you will like it. I think the Suzuki Mail-Mate will be very popular for any business interested in economical light-duty delivery vehicles.

    Bob
    Looking forward to info, specs, pics, etc....

    Thanks.
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    This is the Mail-Mate. It is 4WD and gets about 52 miles per gallon. It has a 30 liter fuel tank (almost 8 gal), air conditioning, and automatic transmission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gung Ho Trucks View Post
    This is the Mail-Mate. It is 4WD and gets about 52 miles per gallon. It has a 30 liter fuel tank (almost 8 gal), air conditioning, and automatic transmission.
    Looks really neat.

    I am concerned though with it being limited to 25 mph.

    I have a bunch of questions for you

    Does it have a transmission cooler?

    AWD or 4wd with transfer case (manual ) ?

    Is it a Suzuki Alto?

    Are they made specifically for mail delivery or converted and labeled as such?

    How well do they hold up to constant stop and go driving? (Testimonials?)

    What is the ground clearance?

    Engine size?

    When the transmission goes out, where and how much for a new one?

    What is the life expectancy of the transmissions under stop and go use?

    How much will it cost to have shipped to me in Indiana?

    Any kind of warranty ?

    Thanks........

    (and thanks to the mod for putting the pic's back up...I was pretty confused)
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    Quote Originally Posted by chickendumpling View Post
    IndianaJason,

    I'd recommend contacting Gung Ho Trucks directly. I have done business with Bob and he gives straight forward friendly answers etc. and fast service (follow-ups on inquiries). No doubt to me - he has put together one nice business and package around minitrucks
    I most likely will after I find out a little more about these vehicles (hence my questions above).

    Also anyone else that is interested, they can read the specifics right here without asking the same questions over and over....

    Yes from what I have seen thus far he seems to have a very nice business set-up.
    -IndianaJason-

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    1993 Geo Metro convertible 3cyl. 5 spd. - 246,000 miles
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    Hello Jason:

    I got to get a chance to re-sign as a site sponsor or Greg will kick my butt. I will have some more time tomorrow afternoon to look at the email that he sent.

    I will put your questions and statements in quotes.

    "I am concerned though with it being limited to 25 mph."

    The vehicles are speed limited to meet the FMVSS part 500 rules that mandate the vehicles speed. We added the bumpers because every postal vehicle we saw was scratched from front to back. Also, I think the bumpers look really cool.

    "Does it have a transmission cooler?"

    No. I don't think the cars are under much of a load, even at full capacity. The lab that did our speed test also did a load component/ analysis. They drove 100 miles, stopping/starting every 100-150 feet. At the end of the test route they measured the drive and cooling systems and found all temperatures to be in the normal operating range. The day they tested it was 74 degrees.

    "AWD or 4wd with transfer case (manual ) ?"

    They are AWD.

    "Is it a Suzuki Alto?"

    No it is a Suzuki Mail-Mate!

    "Are they made specifically for mail delivery or converted and labeled as such?"

    We have them made in Japan to meet the FMVSS, but they are not made specifically to deliver mail. We do the mail conversion part here. They would make a good pizza or other light duty delivery vehicle too.

    "How well do they hold up to constant stop and go driving? (Testimonials?)"

    We have several that we have put 1000-1500 miles on to see how practical they would be. They really scoot along up to 25. You can spin the tires a bit at the start if you like. I got to think they will hold up as well or better than anything else that is available. We just got them finished for retail so I do not have any testimonials for you.

    "What is the ground clearance?"

    150 mm (about 6 inches, it sounds higher in metric) at the lowest point. I have ran them through slush and snow and they do rather nicely. I wasn't able to get stuck. I think the only time a person would have trouble is if he used them off roads. Anytime where you have firm pavement, you will be good to go.

    "Engine size?"

    657 cc.

    "When the transmission goes out, where and how much for a new one?"

    $700-$1,000 plus labor to remove and replace. The total should be less than $1,500.

    "What is the life expectancy of the transmissions under stop and go use?"

    You know, I really do not know. The Mail-Mates don't seem to be working hard. They are really designed perfectly for low speed stop and go applications in Japan. I think they will also hold their retail value nicely.

    They are three times cheaper to operate than anything you can consider. When gas goes up a buck, it really goes up three times as much if you drive a Jeep over one of these. Do you see what I mean?

    "How much will it cost to have shipped to me in Indiana?"

    $494.00

    "Any kind of warranty ?"

    Two years parts and labor on power-train. 30 Months on emissions.

    "Thanks........"

    Actually, thank you for asking all the questions. It gave me a great opportunity to toot my horn without being overbearing, etc, etc.

    Bob

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    I've never wished I was a mail man so badly! One of those Mail-Mate's with snow tires would blow people's socks off....They could go through a *ton* of snow I'd imagine. 6 inches of clearance is more than my Civic....

    This is an awesome market that the US has needed (but didn't know it) for a while. Like the Ford Transit Connect...only much cheaper, lighter, AWD, and better mileage. We sometimes think it takes something that weighs 6,000lbs. and can tow a house to carry lots of stuff. Not true......

    Good Job Bob!

    -Andy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gung Ho Trucks View Post
    Hello Jason:

    I got to get a chance to re-sign as a site sponsor or Greg will kick my butt. I will have some more time tomorrow afternoon to look at the email that he sent.


    The vehicles are speed limited to meet the FMVSS part 500 rules that mandate the vehicles speed.

    No it is a Suzuki Mail-Mate!

    We have them made in Japan to meet the FMVSS, but they are not made specifically to deliver mail. We do the mail conversion part here. They would make a good pizza or other light duty delivery vehicle too.

    They are three times cheaper to operate than anything you can consider. When gas goes up a buck, it really goes up three times as much if you drive a Jeep over one of these. Do you see what I mean?

    Two years parts and labor on power-train. 30 Months on emissions.

    Actually, thank you for asking all the questions. It gave me a great opportunity to toot my horn without being overbearing, etc, etc.

    Bob
    I apologize if this thread and/or my questions have steered this discussion towards breaking rules.....

    The vehicle sounds great Bob, the 25 mph deal really sucks in my opinion. Nothing against the vehicle or you, just saying....stupid law/rule....... lots of distance between the route and post office, and also some of the stops. Now if it was bam bam door to door then 25 mph would never be an issue. hmmm....

    So... the vehicle is called a "Mail-Mate" from the factory? Like "Ford Bronco"..?

    You guys have them made by Suzuki? Nobody else carries this vehicle?

    Im just curious but, if they are not made specifically for delivering mail, they are called the Mail-Mate ? And what "conversion" is done, removing the seat and putting in mail tray? Reason I am asking and such, is anything can have a mail-tray and a sticker that says "Mail delivery" , but if its not made for that application, then it probably wont hold up any better than any other vehicle. I could put a Reese hitch on my Geo Metro and call it the "Econo-Hauler" or something, but that doesnt mean its gonna perform or even last pulling a trailer around. (stupid example but .....)

    The testing you mentioned sounds pretty extensive and practical. There is a tremendous amount of abuse on an automatic transmission day after day of stop and go.... Especially in the summer months with the heat.

    Can a transmission cooler be put on the Mail-Mate?
    -IndianaJason-

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    I guess Bob can answer whether or not they are built "for" mail delivery, or converted into mail deliver vehicles. I'm not a mailman, but why does it make a difference, Jason? To me it's just physics...something that is lightweight won't take nearly the abuse with stop and go as something heavy. I would think a tranny cooler on something that small that isn't towin' anything would be useless. With low mass and a relatively low hp motor, you simply wouldn't provide the resistance needed to heat up a well built tranny.

    The laws of nature simply make a small vehicle better at that stuff. Not to mention Japan's reputation as making some amazingly reliable machines... Other than lots of cargo capacity and great reliablility, what else could a mailman desire....other than that 25mph thingy.

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    Jason:

    It will take you two minutes to travel a mile going full blast. I know it is a drawback, but that is what we have right now. This vehicle is road legal in all 50 states as a low speed vehicle, has its own VIN and comes with a title.

    It sounds like you are not sure and that is okay. We are a few weeks away from full promotion. Why not just wait a bit and see if we sell any and how they hold up for our customers

    Since I am familiar with the incredible product quality and parts availability of the JAPANESE minitrucks, it is a no-brainer. If I were you I would borrow the money and put it to work. I would have the quality certainty any day rather than the guesswork of the Jeep. Chrysler has had what, 80 years to convince you of product reliability and you still aren't sure which vehicle to purchase.

    Wait and see. Keep your money. We will still be in business a year from now.

    P.S. We didn't change the original design much when we had it made to meet the FMVSS rules for low speed vehicles. We studied the design, output and intended use and we couldn’t think of much that needed tweaking. We did have to comply with the Part 500 requirements, but my thoughts were that if it aint broke don't fix it. Do you see what I mean?


    ANDY!

    Good to hear from you. You are exactly right about the amount of energy it takes to stop a vehicle that weighs twice as much as the Mail-Mate. I will have to find my old physics book, but I think it takes five times the energy to stop a vehicle that weighs twice as much as the given value "X"

    (Someone else can do the math I have not solved for X in a long time.) Bottom line, the little cars just do not work as hard to get up to speed or require as much energy to stop. I agree the 25 deal is a drag, but what the heck, don't you have an Ipod?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy_george View Post
    I guess Bob can answer whether or not they are built "for" mail delivery, or converted into mail deliver vehicles. I'm not a mailman, but why does it make a difference, Jason? To me it's just physics...something that is lightweight won't take nearly the abuse with stop and go as something heavy. I would think a tranny cooler on something that small that isn't towin' anything would be useless. With low mass and a relatively low hp motor, you simply wouldn't provide the resistance needed to heat up a well built tranny.

    The laws of nature simply make a small vehicle better at that stuff. Not to mention Japan's reputation as making some amazingly reliable machines... Other than lots of cargo capacity and great reliablility, what else could a mailman desire....other than that 25mph thingy.

    -Andy
    I guess maybe I didnt word my thoughts correctly or maybe you just didnt see what I was alluding too.

    A mail vehicle mileage is 3 to 5 times what a normal vehicles mileage would be. Like dog years... example 100k miles is 300k on a mail vehicle. This is also 6 sets of ball joints, x number of shocks, and at least 1 trans re-build in this time frame. What I was getting at and/or questioning, is if this vehicle was made "specifically" for mail delivery (stop and go conditions namely) , or just called a "Mail-Mate" and labeled with a sticker as such. Which is completely fine. My thought(s) was if it was devolped for mail delivery, and named specifically the "Mail Mate", then maybe it had heavier duty components and/or trans or trans cooler....etc.. Like I said I could put a reese hitch on my Geo Metro, a smoke stack, and call it the "Econo Hauler" or something .

    Maybe a trans cooler is Not needed at all. I just dont see how it wouldnt benefit having one. With trans problems being the main issue with mail delivery vehicles and everything I have read, and people selling them offer and recommend a trans cooler, I dont see why one wouldnt be put on the MailMate, if optional. Wranglers are the worst, followed by Cherokee and Subaru being a tie based on opinion(s) and testimonials. I have heard of brand new Wranglers having the trans re-built at 10k miles. I am not sure of the weight of a Wrangler, but they arent a big heavy vehicle with high hp, resistence and arent towing anything.....
    The key word you used is "well built tranny" , which it may or may not be, especially under mail delivery use. At this point the only info we have is the 1 time testing. What about 1 month ? 1 year? 10k miles later?

    With these japanese vehicles still being new to everyone, especially the MailMate, and availibility of parts questionable, I figured I would ask as many questions that others probably will end up asking anyways.
    Especially if I am gonna drop 12 grand and rely on it every single day.

    I am in no way trying to discredit the MailMate or the person trying to sell them. I am just asking questions and providing him with an opportunity to promote the product I guess.

    Yes I agree the kei vehicles are amazing. I love my Suzuki Carry. Wish I had it 10 years ago when I bought my place. I make up reasons to use it
    -IndianaJason-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gung Ho Trucks View Post
    Jason:

    It will take you two minutes to travel a mile going full blast. I know it is a drawback, but that is what we have right now. This vehicle is road legal in all 50 states as a low speed vehicle, has its own VIN and comes with a title.

    It sounds like you are not sure and that is okay. We are a few weeks away from full promotion. Why not just wait a bit and see if we sell any and how they hold up for our customers

    Since I am familiar with the incredible product quality and parts availability of the JAPANESE minitrucks, it is a no-brainer. If I were you I would borrow the money and put it to work. I would have the quality certainty any day rather than the guesswork of the Jeep. Chrysler has had what, 80 years to convince you of product reliability and you still aren't sure which vehicle to purchase.

    Wait and see. Keep your money. We will still be in business a year from now.

    P.S. We didn't change the original design much when we had it made to meet the FMVSS rules for low speed vehicles. We studied the design, output and intended use and we couldn’t think of much that needed tweaking. We did have to comply with the Part 500 requirements, but my thoughts were that if it aint broke don't fix it. Do you see what I mean?


    ANDY!

    Good to hear from you. You are exactly right about the amount of energy it takes to stop a vehicle that weighs twice as much as the Mail-Mate. I will have to find my old physics book, but I think it takes five times the energy to stop a vehicle that weighs twice as much as the given value "X"

    (Someone else can do the math I have not solved for X in a long time.) Bottom line, the little cars just do not work as hard to get up to speed or require as much energy to stop. I agree the 25 deal is a drag, but what the heck, don't you have an Ipod?
    Yes I agree in 2 minutes you could travel a mile, etc... Which for most of the route is not a major issue. From town (post office) to the route out yonder in the country is quite a few miles. Also if I were to pick up another route in the adjacent town, that is another 10+ miles away, etc.... Just putting things into perspective in the big picture of things. Especially when the vehicle is the office so to say, and time is money.
    Not to mention if it was not speed limited I could also use it as a secondary vehicle for normal use, running errands etc, like most of the other rural carriers do with their route vehicles.
    It is a stupid law/rule in my opinion, and its unfortunate for the guys like you selling these awesome vehicles to this side of the world. In time I hope it changes, but thats a whole other subject in itself...

    No actually I am not sure yet. Especially with just learning of the MailMate. And I am going to spend up to 13 grand on whatever I buy. Lowest option right now is a 96 Cherokee with 30k miles for just under 10k total delivered.
    Actually prior to the past few days when the MailMate came into the picture, I was leaning towards a Subaru Legacy Outback over the Cherokee. The Wrngler was not even an option. Other than that a coverted GM 4 door with either a 3.1 or 3.8 v6.
    In my opinion the Cherokees are junk for the most part, and the Wranglers have junk tranny's. It makes me wonder why so many use them across the USA. ..... only thing available??? If so, then you probably have the answer. If enough postal carriers owned these, the 25mph restriction bs could probably be changed.

    (p.s.) Yes I see what you mean.
    What I meant (which I explained to Andy above a little) was did you personally/your company/"we"/Gung Ho mini trucks develop the "MailMate" thru Suzuki, or just name it a MailMate and add xxxx parts onto it and/or ???? If so, what is the actual name of the vehicle? (i.e. Ford bronco, Suzuki Carry, etc..) Was curious if it was a "heavier dutier" version of some other similar model, etc..designed specifically for the wear and abuse of a stop and go mail route, day after day...

    Just want to familiarize myself with something I might spend 12 grand on and rely on it to make me money everyday, day after day.

    I am impressed and very interested in the vehicle, whether I buy one or not.

    Thanks for all your input and answering my questions. Im sure Ill have more, and anyone else in need of a mail vehicle.
    From my experience (its gotten alot better) most mini truck dealers dont know $hit about what they are selling. And the cycle keeps on going when the person buying it knows nothing also.
    -IndianaJason-

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    1998 Dodge 2500 4x4 8.0 V-10 (488 c.i.)
    2000 Cadillac STS 32v Northstar V8
    1993 Geo Metro convertible 3cyl. 5 spd. - 246,000 miles
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